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Paul Hillsdon

Of course TransLink isn't going for it - they don't have the money in the first place, nor has it ever passed the cost benefit analysis. Falcon isn't forking over provincial cash either.

He wants to pursue it as a P3, with a private corporation coming in and installing and operating the turnstiles. They would get a part of either fare evasion revenues, or regular transit fare revenues (it's not clear which). Very convoluted plan if you ask me, but that's what you get with a pro business politician.

Brian Bailey

I've lived in Tokyo, London and Toronto and travelled to New York, Paris, Hong Kong, Osaka, Taipei amongst other locales. All of these cities boast excellent transit systems including subways with turnstiles. I find Vancouver bizarre for not having a similar setup. First of all, it creates a better sense of safety and order for the paying customer. In Hong Kong you just wave your pre-paid Octopus card over a reader at the automatic gate and there's no delay whatsoever. Same thing when you exit the station. If you don't pay, you can't exit. Tolerating cheats was something that NYC eliminated years ago with a corresponding drop in all petty crime. Not tolerating petty crime has led to a much safer and more pleasant city. If they can do it so can we. What Vancouver has right now is embarassingly bush league by way of comparison. Spend away, long overdue.

Geoff England

The most ridiculous part of Falcon's 'research' is that he thinks Skytrain is on par with the London Underground or the Paris Metro. I live in London and another system in the city, the Docklands Light Railway (DLR), is far more similar to Skytrain than the tube. The DLR has no turnstiles and is also fully-automated, but they employ an attendant on every train who regularly checks tickets. Evasion is low and customer satisfaction is the highest in London. DLR also uses a smart-card (as mentioned in the previous post) which would be a far better investment of $120m.

Someone needs to tell Falcon that Vancouver is not London, Paris, New York or any other major world city, and stupid ideas like this are a waste of time. Falcon needs to stop meddling in the regional affairs of the GVRD which is doing just fine without his incessant idiocy.

Editor

Having lived for several years in New York -turnstiles have been around for decades, long before the rise and fall of subway crime. Attendants were manning the booths during the 1970's and 80's, when crime was at its highest as well.

Thus, it wasn't turnstiles or attendants that solved the problem - it was better policing on the platforms and trains.

And despite going from tokens to electronic Metrocards, and erecting better barriers, there's still plenty of fare evasion going on - especially among poor families who typically pass their kids under the turnstiles.

Brian Bailey

OK , so based on the excellent comments above the best solution would be a combination of spending alot more money on policing (because the current policing is obviously not working) and an automated fare card system (Toronto will soon have the latter implemented, similar to the Octopus card in Hong Kong). Could you elaborate on how the DLR has an automated fare card without automatic turnstiles? In any event, the status quo in Vancouver is simply unacceptable. Doing nothing is not an option so spending millions will be necessary regardless of the solution chosen.

Geoff England

Just a quick reply regarding smartcards on the DLR...

The smartcard system works without turnstiles by just having a card reader at station entrances and exits. You swipe the card before you get on and again when you get off and it charges you the appropriate fare. If you forget to swipe out, it charges you the max fare at the end of the day. Ticket checkers on the trains use handheld readers to check that you've swiped in. If you have a monthly/yearly pass, you don't need to swipe at all.

Smart cards are pure genius, though from what I gather, they are VERY expensive to initiate and operate. The savings are huge though. They would definitely enable easy payment on the Skytrain, but smart cards would
have the biggest impact on the bus system. London stats show boarding times have decreased by 2/3 so buses can stick to their schedule. Translink would also benefit from the details stats the cards collect. This should be Translink's number 1 priority in my books.

Brian Bailey

That is an excellent suggestion regarding smart cards and the bus system. Vancouver is not a third world city so we should be able to come up with the cash. I want to live in a city with a vision for the future, not stuck in a baby boomer past.

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